MIlitary hardware of the mid-70`s...

[Paul Hanson]

They`re just what I`m looking for. The right style and everything! If you have more (specifically stuff like APCs and Soviet aircraft), then I`d be happy to recieve them!

[Paul Hanson]

Well, taken from the list compiled by master on high, I think I`d like:

Mig-23
Mig-25
Mig-27

As for Allied aircraft, do you think you could have a go at:

Super Etendard
Jaguar (My graphic for it at the moment is Andrew Livings Tornado IDS one)

And with regards to the APC`s, just do a basic BMP (I`m not sure which type, as my knowledge of military hardware goes about as far as Steel Panthers III`s weapons encyclopedia )

BTW, don`t feel under any pressure to get them done straight away. I know I demanded a fair few units, but I`m patient and can wait a while.

[Paul Hanson]

And on a slightly different note: my scenario features only two civs: Soviets and Allies. The Soviets represent all the countries of the USSR and the Eastern Bloc, plus several Middle-Eastern nations. The Allies represent all the nations in NATO, plus some others like Israel and Turkey.

My question is: what side should I place these nations?:
Finland
Egypt
Yugoslavia (as far as I know, it was Communist but not controlled by Russia)
North African countries like Algeria, Morrocco and Libya.

[Goingonit]

quote: Originally posted by Paul Hanson on 04-28-2001 04:34 AM My question is: what side should I place these nations?: Finland Egypt Yugoslavia (as far as I know, it was Communist but not controlled by Russia) North African countries like Algeria, Morrocco and Libya.

Egypt was most definitely soviet. The Aswan High Dam was built with Soviet money.
Yugoslavia was very, very neutral.
Finland was pro-American.
Morocco was west-leaning, I think, Algeria was angry at France for years of colonialism so I think it would be slightly sympathetic towards the East, and Libya was definitely on the Soviet side!

DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF HAVING A BIPOLAR SCENARIO! THERE WERE NEUTRALS TOO! Sorry, I'm in the middle of an essay on Soviet-American relations, and I read an entire book about how America thought that all countries were either Communist or Capitalist, but in fact they weren't.
[This message has been edited by Goingonit (edited April 28, 2001).]

[Henrik]

Imho five civs would be better:
Nato
Soviets
Pro soviet neutrals
Pro NATO neutrals
Neutral Neutrals

[BeBMan]

Goingonit, I agree that Egypt was more pro soviet, but I would not include them into the Soviet civs (which represent the eastern block).

Henriks suggestion sounds more realistic to me, e.g. for Egypt (as pro soviet neutral) but also for others...

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[Mao]

This scenario map will beonly on Europe right?

[Hobbes]

another very advanced fighter plane:

CF-105 Arrow (1957)

check it out at http://www.avroarrow.org/

[master on high]

The MiG-27 was merely a tweaked MiG-23. Use the MiG-21 instead...it was/is the main aircraft of many WPO Air Forces.

[Paul Hanson]

quote: Originally posted by Mao on 04-28-2001 01:41 PM This scenario map will beonly on Europe right?

This scenario uses the same map as Ansteig and The Struggle for Europe. If you`re not familiar with it, it`s the best Europe map I can find. Better than the MPS one at least.

[Jimmywax]

quote: Originally posted by Paul Hanson on 04-28-2001 04:26 AM And with regards to the APC`s, just do a basic BMP (I`m not sure which type, as my knowledge of military hardware goes about as far as Steel Panthers III`s weapons encyclopedia )

Just wanted to give you a little info here. The BMP-2 was probably the best Soviet APC with a 30mm rapid-fire main gun with a spigot anti-armour weopon mounted on top of the turret. The BTR-60P on the other hand, had just a 12.7mm in the turret but was exported to over 30 countries. So the decision would be, do you want the better one or the more common one? There are also later versions of both of these with the only difference being different gun and engine combinations. So, I am sorry if I am being anal about this but I thought you could use the info.
[This message has been edited by Jimmywax (edited April 29, 2001).]

[Paul Hanson]

quote: Originally posted by Goingonit on 04-28-2001 08:10 AM DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF HAVING A BIPOLAR SCENARIO! THERE WERE NEUTRALS TOO! Sorry, I'm in the middle of an essay on Soviet-American relations, and I read an entire book about how America thought that all countries were either Communist or Capitalist, but in fact they weren't. [This message has been edited by Goingonit (edited April 28, 2001).]

Oops...a bit late for that, seeing as I already placed the civs and got rid of all but 2 of them. Unless someone can tell me how to hex-edit the .scn file so as to put another one in.

[Paul Hanson]

quote: Originally posted by Jimmywax on 04-28-2001 08:19 PM Just wanted to give you a little info here. The BMP-2 was probably the best Soviet APC with a 30mm rapid-fire main gun with a spigot anti-armour weopon mounted on top of the turret. The BTR-60P on the other hand, had just a 12.7mm in the turret but was exported to over 30 countries. So the decision would be, do you want the better one or the more common one? There are also later versions of both of these with the only difference being different gun and engine combinations. So, I am sorry if I am being anal about this but I thought you could use the info. [This message has been edited by Jimmywax (edited April 29, 2001).]

Let`s go for the BTR-60P.

[Goingonit]

I also like the suggestion of the 5 civs. Speaking of Neutrality, here's Encarta on the NAM (Non-Aligned Movement)

quote: Nonaligned Movement (NAM), loose association of countries that, during the Cold War, had no formal commitment to either of the two power blocs in the world, which were led by the United States and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). The group was formed in September 1961 by a conference of 25 heads of state in Belgrade, Yugoslavia (present-day Federal Republic of Yugoslavia). The conference was organized by leaders of countries that had recently freed themselves from foreign domination and rejected renewed ties to any big power. Prominent among these leaders were Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru of India and Presidents Sukarno of Indonesia, Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana, Sékou Touré of Guinea, and Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslavia. The movement has grown to include more than 110 countries, mostly from Africa, Asia, and Latin America. NAM conferences are held every three years. The group has no formal administrative body; at each NAM conference the office of chairperson rotates to the head of state of the host country. Membership in NAM is distinct from neutrality in that it implies an active participation in international affairs and judgment of issues on their merits rather than from predetermined positions. Thus, a large majority of NAM nations opposed the United States during the Vietnam War (1957-1975) and the USSR after its 1979 invasion of Afghanistan. In practice, however, many NAM nations leaned heavily toward one power bloc or the other.